Forums - Japanese Joystick-a Show all 34 posts from this thread on one page Forums (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/index.php) - Fighting Game Discussion (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=8) -- Japanese Joystick-a (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=9807) Posted by Lar-ry$ on 04:01:2001 06:13 AM: Why do I need to learn how to use a Japanese joystick? Do they even have those things in arcades? Posted by LOLO on 04:01:2001 07:00 AM: yes they do~~ hehehe... Posted by LastGod VT on 04:01:2001 07:38 AM: Ummm... the only time I have ever seen a Japanese joystick set is in a Virtua Fighter 3 Machine. Usually you won't see Japanese original joystick sets. Theyre far better than ours too. Posted by NerenatwaH on 04:01:2001 07:41 AM: If I'm correct the DC's own green/gray joystick is Japanese based, I've played on that and I have a MAS joystick, and the MAS stick is a lot better. Posted by LOLO on 04:01:2001 07:43 AM: i didn't mean the joystick we own~~ i mean those Japanese style cabinet~~ those controllers are just so good~~ maybe too good~~ hehehe... Posted by Puffy on 04:01:2001 09:45 AM: quote: Originally posted by LOLO i didn't mean the joystick we own~~ i mean those Japanese style cabinet~~ those controllers are just so good~~ maybe too good~~ hehehe... yes they are... i prefer them over american style too... ^^ you can buy them for home as well... the namco stick for playstation and the official dc joystick are both identical to the jap arcade machines... good luck trying to find them nowadays tho... ^^ Posted by Maximum Burst on 04:01:2001 09:48 AM: I feel more comfortable with the Ball type stick that they use in japan over the stick in america. Posted by LOLO on 04:02:2001 04:42 AM: quote: Originally posted by Puffy yes they are... i prefer them over american style too... ^^ you can buy them for home as well... the namco stick for playstation and the official dc joystick are both identical to the jap arcade machines... good luck trying to find them nowadays tho... ^^ wow... alright... thx for the tip~~ but first of all i gotta buy a DC first~~ hehehe... Posted by Puffy on 04:02:2001 09:45 AM: quote: Originally posted by LOLO wow... alright... thx for the tip~~ but first of all i gotta buy a DC first~~ hehehe... i would recommend searching for the joystick first... it really is almost impossible to find... i got the dc joystick as soon as i found out there was one available... and i dont even have a dc! i juss play at my friends' houses... ^^ Posted by Maximum Burst on 04:02:2001 09:54 AM: I find that the ball runs smoother than the stick. Posted by xOMEGA_RUGALx on 04:02:2001 04:29 PM: ... Erm, sorry for being off-topic, but what exactly is different about Japanese joysticks when comapared to US ones? Posted by LOLO on 04:02:2001 05:38 PM: Re: ... quote: Originally posted by xOMEGA_RUGALx Erm, sorry for being off-topic, but what exactly is different about Japanese joysticks when comapared to US ones? u can have faster reaction w/ those neat japanese joystick~~ it can do moves faster than the american ones~~ and the japanese ones are more precise and since the hole is in square but not circle, it's more sure that u are hitting the diagonal direction correctly~~ Posted by ShinJN on 04:04:2001 04:18 AM: Yes... Japanese sticks are far better than US sticks. The diameter of the movement direction is shorter, which requires less wrist movement, allowing fast execution of moves. With japanese sticks, you can feel the corners of the directions. When I looked at the guts of the jpn stick, it uses similar switches to that of US sticks but with the addition of a metal bar on top of the button of the switch. This probably contributes to fast execution of moves as well. I myself play on all 3 kinds of sticks, 360, jpn, and US switches. For some games I prefer a US stick, and others I prefer a jpn stick. It's all about preference. Posted by *Dp on 04:04:2001 04:37 AM: "official dc joystick are both identical to the jap arcade machines... good luck trying to find them nowadays tho... ^^" They are hard to find but I still was able to get one (the last one at the vid game store) all nice in japanese text.....anyways if you do find one expect to pay around 70-80 for it. Posted by BrazilionBH on 04:04:2001 04:47 AM: The agetec sucs ihad one and it was horrible so i just saved up 95$ and bought a mas stik.. Posted by BrazilionBH on 04:04:2001 04:55 AM: And if you would like to go all out you could buy the super nova system the best thing about is that it comes with 2 stiks!! Posted by LOLO on 04:04:2001 06:42 AM: quote: Originally posted by *Dp "official dc joystick are both identical to the jap arcade machines... good luck trying to find them nowadays tho... ^^" They are hard to find but I still was able to get one (the last one at the vid game store) all nice in japanese text.....anyways if you do find one expect to pay around 70-80 for it. hm... the thing is my friend got those neat DC stick~~ but there's sthg funny w/ it~~ i can actually hear *click*s when i move the joystick around~~ and when i play w/ it it's still a bit slow~~ the circular movement is ok~~ but the move kinda come out slow~~ maybe it's becoz of the game~~ the different b/w DC and Arcade~~ Posted by Onslaught2000 on 04:04:2001 07:16 AM: I don't see how ppl can use the japanese joysticks. the way i see it, mass sticks are the way to go Posted by Puffy on 04:04:2001 07:48 AM: quote: Originally posted by LOLO hm... the thing is my friend got those neat DC stick~~ but there's sthg funny w/ it~~ i can actually hear *click*s when i move the joystick around~~ and when i play w/ it it's still a bit slow~~ the circular movement is ok~~ but the move kinda come out slow~~ maybe it's becoz of the game~~ the different b/w DC and Arcade~~ you might juss have to work the joystick in more... but ya... there is some clicking... but i dont mind it... its very very very similar to the arcade feel... Posted by JumpsuitJesse on 04:04:2001 01:54 PM: Let's get something straight.... I've seen numerous people post about how the Official DC Arcade Stick(Green Ball and buttons) is identical to what true Japanese sticks are like and I have to go on record to say that you guys are dead wrong. I use to own 2 of those DC arcade sticks, and I own a Japanese Capcom Impress Cabinet and they are NOTHING alike. Side by side they may look alike but they are worlds apart. The DC stick has a "square" feel when you move it around when doing circular motions. Sure you can feel the corners but doing moves on these is much more difficult because there is no circle feeling to help guide your movements. The DC stick does have 4 switches like the Japanese arcade sticks, but that's about it. True Japanese Arcade sticks have a VERY small circumference to do your moves. They also have a circular feel to them, almost the size of a nickel or a dime. To top that off if you move these sticks in a circle slowly you can actually feel each directional point. Imagine a circle with 8 directional grooves for the directions. You do here a click sound for each direction like some people say, but the precision is unbelievable. Another thing that is great about these sticks is the return spring....there is almost NO tension, meaning that if you move the stick in any direction and let it go the stick wont jerk back to the center like USA sticks do. The moment you press to a direction you are imediately activating a directional switch. And as many of you know, Japanese sticks are significantly shorter than USA sticks. Simple physics shows that a shorter stick makes smaller circles, as opposed to longer sticks. You combine all these attributes and you have the perfect tool to do your stuff on. Dragon punches, 360's, fireballs, and especially charge moves are WAY simpler to do on Japanese arcade sticks and require minimal work on your part. You just have to play on them to really understand what I am talking about. To my knowledge there is not a single arcade stick for homesystems that can duplicate the performance that I described. I had posted about this a long time ago but I guess the post was lost. Hope this helped.. JumpsuitJesse "Why is yours bigger than mine??" "Genetics!" Tango and Cash Posted by bahn on 04:04:2001 02:02 PM: Cool info Jesse, I have yet to get the true JPN stick, I actually wanna get the new ASCII GT stick that I heard blt speak of. In the meantime, I'll stick with the current DC stick I have, I don't have any problems with it, so those of you complaining - PRACTICE! Posted by chunkis on 04:04:2001 03:56 PM: Do you all remember my post on making your own dc stick like the aracde..Well what jumpsuit has said about the dc stick being different too the jap sticks is 100%.And all so what he said about the dc stick having a square motion rather than circular one is also true,but this can be fixed to make your stick more like the japanese one if you open it up and take out the square plastic restrictor that stops the joystick from making a 360 turn..I think i lost the plot in this post..sorry Posted by olds on 04:04:2001 04:20 PM: Yea I too prefer the japanese joysticks, when I have to play on the longer Us style ones it just doesnt feel as comfortable but I guess it all boils down to what you are used to. Any Uk guys know where I can still get hold of a Namco Arcade Stick for the PSX over here? Bye Posted by commando on 04:05:2001 07:31 AM: quote: Originally posted by Lar-ry$ Why do I need to learn how to use a Japanese joystick? Do they even have those things in arcades? You can find them on the SEGA official site. Look for River Side. Posted by Shin Kyo on 04:05:2001 07:39 AM: My personal favourite is still the ASCII FT stick....feel very much like what JumpsuitJesse said! Posted by Puffy on 04:05:2001 08:10 AM: way to get shut down by the authority y2jsj... -.- ;; [salvagepride]while it may not be identical to the jap arcades, i feel that it is similar enuff in all aspects described for serious play at home... the clicking might be bothersome, but ppl can get used to it... these are the best console joysticks that i have played on and i highly recommend them... ^^[/salvagepride] ... altho i do wanna check out that cvs stick and see if its better than the agetec... Posted by Sentinel on 04:05:2001 08:04 PM: BrazilionBH are those massystems joysticks any good?? i have been thinking about getting one.. Posted by commando on 04:17:2001 06:37 AM: Re: Let's get something straight.... quote: Originally posted by JumpsuitJesse I've seen numerous people post about how the Official DC Arcade Stick(Green Ball and buttons) is identical to what true Japanese sticks are like and I have to go on record to say that you guys are dead wrong. I use to own 2 of those DC arcade sticks, and I own a Japanese Capcom Impress Cabinet and they are NOTHING alike. Side by side they may look alike but they are worlds apart. The DC stick has a "square" feel when you move it around when doing circular motions. Sure you can feel the corners but doing moves on these is much more difficult because there is no circle feeling to help guide your movements. The DC stick does have 4 switches like the Japanese arcade sticks, but that's about it. True Japanese Arcade sticks have a VERY small circumference to do your moves. They also have a circular feel to them, almost the size of a nickel or a dime. To top that off if you move these sticks in a circle slowly you can actually feel each directional point. Imagine a circle with 8 directional grooves for the directions. You do here a click sound for each direction like some people say, but the precision is unbelievable. Another thing that is great about these sticks is the return spring....there is almost NO tension, meaning that if you move the stick in any direction and let it go the stick wont jerk back to the center like USA sticks do. The moment you press to a direction you are imediately activating a directional switch. And as many of you know, Japanese sticks are significantly shorter than USA sticks. Simple physics shows that a shorter stick makes smaller circles, as opposed to longer sticks. You combine all these attributes and you have the perfect tool to do your stuff on. Dragon punches, 360's, fireballs, and especially charge moves are WAY simpler to do on Japanese arcade sticks and require minimal work on your part. You just have to play on them to really understand what I am talking about. To my knowledge there is not a single arcade stick for homesystems that can duplicate the performance that I described. I had posted about this a long time ago but I guess the post was lost. Hope this helped.. JumpsuitJesse "Why is yours bigger than mine??" "Genetics!" Tango and Cash That sounds funny. According to SEGA, they say that they are using the same equipments as they have implemented in the SEGA Fighting Cabinet. This does not mean everything are the same but as long as I have tested, they were similar in touch and orientation. Posted by Strider_ShiedoShaw on 04:17:2001 09:04 AM: you guys ever used the green and purple topmax dc sticks? I was afraid to get this thing simply because it looked so fruity, but damn, this is 10x better than the dreamcast official stick. It has 8 way click sensors, it's ball shaped, and it has a adjustable neutral zones. By screwing the ball to the left or right, you widen or shorten the zone. the zone is so perfect that you can pull of supers in sf3 and kof 98 with the slightest flick of the wrist, or you can make it super loose and it'll act like the dc stick. Got it at funco land for 40 bucks after destroying my dc stick (tried that regulator trick and broke the damn thing ), but shit I'm glad cause this stick kicks ass. Posted by JumpsuitJesse on 04:17:2001 12:43 PM: Commando.... quote: That sounds funny. According to SEGA, they say that they are using the same equipments as they have implemented in the SEGA Fighting Cabinet. This does not mean everything are the same but as long as I have tested, they were similar in touch and orientation Didn't you read my post!? I owned the Official DC Joysticks made by Agetek and I own a Japanese Capcom Arcade cabinet. Even Javi can bare witness to the differences between the two arcade sticks. Plus, I have opened up the DC Josystick to see if it does in fact have the same arcade components as the my arcade cabinet and it does not....it has a low quality look/feel to the joystick parts and the buttons are junk because they stick. Make sure you get your facts straight before you go off saying my posts "sound funny" OF COURSE Sega is going to say they are using the same arcade equipment as the ones in the arcades cuz they know stupid consumers will buy anything that says "true arcade" or "arcade feel"..... JumpsuitJesse "If I ever and I mean if I EVER see you here again, YOU DIE(snap) just like that." Carlito Brigante - Carlito's Way Posted by jamaicajon on 04:17:2001 03:08 PM: Im assuming that the official stick is the agetec. I got one for 20 bucks (used) when i got MVC2 and have been in love with it ever since. Its the only thing that comes close to the Saturn Stick (Official) which i believe is the best home stick available. The advantage of the saturn stick over the Agetec is that is doesnt need any maintainence and it doesnt have a swivel stick. Swivel sticks tend to allow for the ball to come off and make it hard to screw back on. Also the swivel to me makes some moves cumbersome. I think alot of people have problems witht the agetec cuz they arent willing to do the necessary maintenance required to keep it "clickin". The clicking may be noisy but it lets u know that all 8 directions are being recognized. The maintenance i keep talkin about is "oiling your stick" lol. It may sound perverted but you really do need to do i t. I use vaseline (get your mind out the gutter by the way). I screw the ball off, remove the plastic cover disk, and use a q-tip dipped in vaseline to first clean the junk out of the mechanism and then thoroughly oil the area. You almost cant use too much as long as the vaseline doesnt cover the metal shaft and prevent u from screwin the ball back on and puttin back the cover disk. Its absolutely essential to keeping your stick functional. Ive included a pic for all those who have no idea what im talking about. Posted by commando on 04:18:2001 10:30 AM: > Didn't you read my post!? I owned the Official >DC Joysticks made by Agetek and I own a Japanese Capcom >Arcade cabinet. >Even Javi can bare witness to the differences between the >two arcade sticks. Plus, I have opened up the DC Josystick >to see if it does in fact have the same arcade components >as the my arcade cabinet and it does not....it has a low >quality look/feel to the joystick parts and the buttons are >junk because they stick. I agree that the lever is little loose than the SEGA Fighting Cabinet (AstroCity, etc.) but I lived for years in Japan and I've also used these things for years too. And don't think Capcom Arcade cabinet is the only one of Sega. There are other cabinets like Astro City, Versus City, Megalo City. I have access to them all and I know their habbits. The button response are not adequate, True. But I gaurantee at least the button response were same as those in the starcade; whether they're using the same parts or not. >Make sure you get your facts straight before you go off >saying my posts "sound funny" OF COURSE Sega is going to >say they are using the same arcade equipment as the ones in >the arcades cuz they know stupid consumers will buy >anything that says "true arcade" or "arcade feel"..... If you say so, go sue them; but here are the facts. Sega Dream Cast Direct Shop: DC Arcade stick info http://www.d-direct.ne.jp/shop/pc/p...01PQXRK6TGH0E5H Sega Used machine Selling Site: http://www.riverservice.co.jp/e7/button_e.html http://www.riverservice.co.jp/e7/parts_e.html And as you said, there are more that have the same opinion. Posted by JumpsuitJesse on 04:18:2001 12:52 PM: quote: I agree that the lever is little loose than the SEGA Fighting Cabinet (AstroCity, etc.) but I lived for years in Japan and I've also used these things for years too. And don't think Capcom Arcade cabinet is the only one of Sega. There are other cabinets like Astro City, Versus City, Megalo City. I have access to them all and I know their habbits. Ok, I haven't played on Sega's AstroCity cabinets so I can't make a judgement on those. All I am saying is that I have both a DC Stick, and a Capcom Impress cabinet and their performance is COMPLETELY different. Whether there are certain parts that make the sticks in the Capcom cabinet feel better or if the sticks are just different to begin with all I know is that the sticks in the Capcom cabinet outperform any sticks made in Japan for the DC system. JumpsuitJesse "I was not born to live a man's life...but to be the stock of future memory." Excalibur - Posted by commando on 04:19:2001 06:18 AM: quote: Originally posted by JumpsuitJesse Ok, I haven't played on Sega's AstroCity cabinets so I can't make a judgement on those. All I am saying is that I have both a DC Stick, and a Capcom Impress cabinet and their performance is COMPLETELY different. Whether there are certain parts that make the sticks in the Capcom cabinet feel better or if the sticks are just different to begin with all I know is that the sticks in the Capcom cabinet outperform any sticks made in Japan for the DC system. JumpsuitJesse "I was not born to live a man's life...but to be the stock of future memory." Excalibur - I've looked into the Sega DC Arcade Stick yesterday, and as far as I know, the lever and the button were the same. Not everything was identical to the versus city type Fighting Cabinets. The switch within the Sega Arcade was somewhat different and the serial number of the board below the switch matched that on the bottom of the arcade stick. So that shows that they wereusing an original switch. I'm not sure about small parts of the cables but I think they are different. The board was a Sega Maple processor unit, the button voltage detection unit was by Alps, and the cables were constructed with AWM. Omitting the cover, the similarity was no more than 75% of that compared to Fighting cabinets. BTW, what other DC sticks do you have? The only DC domain Arcade Sticks in the Japanese markets today, as far as I know are: Sega Arcade Stick, and the 3 versions of Ascii FT Sticks. If you got any specs of others, tell us your thoughts. For the Ascii FT sticks, I felt the lever was more tightigned but a smooth movement and the clicking noise were not loud as those of Fighting Cabinets. The button layout does match those of Sega's and is in straight order. The cover, as my opinion, were curved smoothly and comfortable for laying down the wrist. The Ascii seems better than the SEGA DC Arcade but the similarity with the Fighting Cabinets are way off. These are the only two in the D-Direct site and I wish there were more than this. I hope someday there will be something out on the market with auto commanding and rapid fire capibility. All times are GMT. The time now is 01:13 AM. Show all 34 posts from this thread on one page Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.2.4 Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Limited 2000, 2001.